Curse

smilingscar · Dec 03, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

For those against it, what if it also cost skill points to reset? As I see it, skill points are the currency of xp. What if in order to reset you had to pay skill points equal to 1,337,500 xp, and then you had start the title from there? Yes you're still paying to reset a title, but I don't think it's as easy for the average player gather as gold or gems. According to my math, that would work out to 99.79 skill points (that's factoring in the low xp req for lower lvls). Perfect, round it up to 100 and it's a nice even number.

I vote for yes, with the cost of __k+100 skill points and you have to start earning the xp again. I think that's a big investment to call cheap, especially when all it takes is one lag death to make all that investment worthless (maybe make that count for the unlucky title

).

/signed

StelardActek · Dec 03, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Heh, funny you should mention the unlucky title. When I was getting my survivor, a friend of mine was going for it too, but got unlucky and lagdied. I said at the time and have thought since that you should get 'unlucky' points for dying once the survivor title appears, with the amount of unlucky points rising as you get closer to LS. But I'm not actually suggesting that, so don't argue about it in this thread please. Just thought it'd be amusing to relate to you guys.

Lady Raenef · Dec 03, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Hmm, I think more thought process needs to be put into this, as well as more research put into things. For example...

I can farm about 12,000 experience around 8-10 minutes without having anywhere near the chance of death. A title easily earned.

I won't sign or unsign, but that's just a thought to put in there.

StelardActek · Dec 04, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Well, I think everyone's offered their opinions now, but we have no way of knowing if ArenaNet even saw this thread. What to do...

AuraofMana · Dec 04, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Ascalon Runner

Giving characters that died another shot at the Survivor title would be a slap in the face to each and every player who skinned their knuckles earning the title.Having the Survivor title shows to the world that you have a reliable Internet connection and are unlikely to lag out on your party members during a critical mission (such as a GvG match).If you're so eager to earn a maxed out title, do yourself a favor and purchase Prophecies so that you can earn the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title instead. You'll have a maxed out title that can be applied towards the Kind Of A Big Deal title track and much less anxiety (until you get your electric bill).Prophecies is the cheapest of the PvE campaigns plus you get a few maxed out weapons by typing "/bonus".I have quiet a few characters on my main account that were created before titles were added to Guild Wars myself.I'm willing to accept that I can't get every title in the game and so should you.

Because some of us don't want to remake our character that existed before the title was made. Maybe you have the time to do it, but most people don't play GW that much.
And learn to space between your sentences.

Spam until page 3 million, crash the GWG server, and that should get enough attention.
Actually even then it might not :/

StelardActek · Dec 04, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

I should probably mention to AscalonRunner that having LS so you can show the world you have a reliable internet connection is pretty weak. But even if that's your reason, you still need a reliable connection to get it even if old characters are given the chance to get the title. Or did you forget you still need to get 1,337,500XP without dying?

As to the idea of getting 'Prophecies so that you can earn the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title instead', well... were you even thinking when you typed this? The people who want this changed already HAVE Prophacies. I suspect most of us already HAVE LS, just not on our favourite characters; I certainly do. Getting LDoA on a brand new character isn't going to help us with that.

FoxS · Dec 04, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I don't really care about the survivor title. There weren't titles for it when I started playing, even though I was probably pretty close to getting them. There are a lot of methods currently to obtain the survivor title, which kind of takes away from the prestige of it. Why not start a new character if you want to get it, or try going for some other difficult to obtain title to compensate for not being able to obtain the survivor title on that character?

StelardActek · Dec 05, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by FoxS

I don't really care about the survivor title. There weren't titles for it when I started playing, even though I was probably pretty close to getting them. There are a lot of methods currently to obtain the survivor title, which kind of takes away from the prestige of it. Why not start a new character if you want to get it, or try going for some other difficult to obtain title to compensate for not being able to obtain the survivor title on that character?

Well, I can only speak for me, but I want LS on my main because I got it on another character which I'm not interested in playing, so noone will ever know, unless I somehow do it again on my main.

WhiteWasabi · Dec 05, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

/SIGNED!!!!

I would love to get Legendary survivor on my main character. I am at 29 max titles and 21 MILLION experience on my main toon. I don't want to restart obviously. Please make it available for older characters.

Or.....Just make ALL titles Account based. It is the same person playing the account. All titles should be account based imo.

Here is a pic of my UBER toon's stats.

StelardActek · Dec 05, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Wow, that's a LOT of XP! Dunno how much I have, but I don't think it's 5 million yet. Or 4, even.

Anyway, while I would love for every title to be account based, I can at least see one reason for character based titles. Obviously, if Survivor was account based, everyone would make a dervish and use the mystic regen method of getting the title. But in the end, who cares? :P

Please, make your own thread suggesting this. I'll sign on it.

pumpkin pie · Dec 05, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by WhiteWasabi

/SIGNED!!!!

I would love to get Legendary survivor on my main character. I am at 29 max titles and 21 MILLION experience on my main toon. I don't want to restart obviously. Please make it available for older characters.

Or.....Just make ALL titles Account based. It is the same person playing the account. All titles should be account based imo.

Here is a pic of my UBER toon's stats.

you could get rich by selling skill points.... rofl

well done!

MithranArkanere · Dec 05, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I used all my skill points to buy skills... soon I'll have all 1319... and then I'll conquer the world!! Mwa-ha-ha!

Well, back on topic, remember that and old character may be already in level 20, but he will NEVER be able to make again all those quests and get all those mission rewards, so it will always take more time, even with the more rewarding, but 'safe' repeatable quests.

milan · Dec 05, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

No it won't take more time at all, that's absolute rubbish.

You can dive straight into safe, simple xp farming as an established level 20 with skills, runes, weapons and max armour.

AuraofMana · Dec 05, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Because you totally cannot if you start a new char with elite and non-elite tomes, ferrying in Kamadan, and general experience playing GW.
Oh yeah, it's HORRIBLE that this repeatable safe thing here. I mean come on, those other ppl who started a new character can just remake if they mess up so it's not fair.
Oh wait.

MithranArkanere · Dec 05, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

300 quests of 3000XP are more than 300 runs of a quests that gives 2000 or 2500.

Canthan survivor is less prestigeos than Tyrian, but it seem they all share the same Survivor title... so it is still unfair, even between those who got survivor.

Ascalon Runner · Dec 06, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Because some of us don't want to remake our character that existed before the title was made. Maybe you have the time to do it, but most people don't play GW that much.
And learn to space between your sentences.

Spam until page 3 million, crash the GWG server, and that should get enough attention.
Actually even then it might not :/

I don't have Survivor on any of my characters and have no plans to work on obtaining it for any of my future characters. It's just too difficult for me because I get excessive lag too often.

Vinraith · Dec 06, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by milan

You can dive straight into safe, simple xp farming as an established level 20 with skills, runes, weapons and max armour.

That's fundamentally the problem with any kind of survivor restart scheme, the act of getting that much experience with an established character simply isn't equivalent to doing the same with a newly minted one. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get survivor on my main if there was a fair way to do it, but short of making her level one and stripping her of all PvE skills/titles, elite skills, max items, and map travel options I don't see how one could do it.

Laughing Bat · Dec 06, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by StelardActek

While you said 'not signed', this sounds more like support of the general principle we're going for here.

The reason I said not signed is because I don't like the idea of letting people earn the title on old characters. But if someone earns the title on a new character I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to show it on other characters, they would of still done all of the same work to get the title. The only major change I can see it making to the title is witch professions people earn it on.

杀TanK杀 · Dec 06, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

If you could achieve the title on old characters.. then pretty much everyone would be getting the title, and very easily at that.

So giving this ability is pretty much just a +1 koabd track point...

AuraofMana · Dec 06, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Oh okay let's just not make it fair for people who didn't have a chance and be like "LOLOL MY CHAR GOT THIS I DONT WANT YOU TO HAVE IT CUZ I GRINDED FOR X HOURS AND LIKEZ I AM TOTOALLY LEET DUE TO IT!!111"